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Romans 1

by Shining One in

romans 1 .

18. the wrath of god is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, .

19. since what may be known about god is plain to them, because god has made it plain to them.

Shining One

Little Toe,
>If you have to resort to insults, then you've already lost the argument...
Does your statement apply when I am only responding to insults?
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

Jgnat,
No, I am not quoting a authority. I am endorsing an argument by Henry Morris.
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

Jgnat,
Naturalism, by its very definition, assumes there is no supernatural. That's why you are on the wrong side when you assume their presuppositions are correct.
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Robert,
How do you logically describe the process of reasoning itself? How do you account for the laws of logic in a universe without God? The Laws of logic are conceptual by nature and absolute. Being absolute they transcend space and time. They are not the properties of the physical universe (since they are conceptual) or of people (since people contradict each other, which would mean they weren't absolute). So, how do you account for them?

First you answer the above then deal with this one:
1. Things exist.
2. It is possible for those things to not exist.
3. Whatever has the possibility of non existence, yet exists, has been caused to exist.
1. Something cannot bring itself into existence since it must exist to bring itself into existence which is illogical.
4. There cannot be an infinite number of causes to bring something into existence.
1. Because an infinite regression of causes ultimately has no initial cause which means there is no cause of existence.
2. Since the universe exists, it must have a cause.
5. Therefore, there must be an uncaused cause of all things.
6. The uncaused cause must be God.
Thomas Aquinas (1224-1274) had a version of the Cosmological Argument called the Argument from Motion. He stated that things in motion could not have brought themselves into motion but must be caused to move. There cannot be an infinite regression of movers. Therefore, there must be an Unmoved Mover. This Unmoved Mover is God. Also, by definition, God is uncaused. To assume otherwise is to introduce a paradox.

Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

Balderdash?

That was a personal testimony, nitwit.
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

Hi Chrissy,
The 'act' was His coming to me in ways that assured my faith and in the realization that He is God. I intially discovered the deity of Christ when I was trying to disprove it. All prayers have been answered very clearly: yes, no or not now. It is not 'blind faith' and has never been. Reasoning has always been involved.
Rex

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Christian Missionary Alliance Statement of Faith

by Shining One in

44:6; 45:5-6 (2) matt.

32:4 (3) matt.

8:8; 1 john 2:2 (14) matt.

Shining One

Jgnat is a Sunday school teacher in a Canadian CMA church. This is the statement of faith from HER church. Usually, one must have the trust of a congregation and the Pastor(s) to become a teacher. One must also adhere to the statement of faith. If they do not, then the only honorable course is to NOT teach and perhaps also resign from the church. Hypocrisy is as Hypocrisy does....

1. There is one God,1 who is infinitely perfect,2 existing eternally in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.3
2. Jesus Christ is true God and true man.4 He was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.5 He died upon the cross, the Just for the unjust, as a substitutionary sacrifice, and all who believe in Him are justified on the ground of His shed blood. He arose from the dead according to the Scriptures.6 He is now at the right hand of the Majesty on high as our great High Priest.7 He will come again to establish His kingdom of righteousness and peace.8
3. The Holy Spirit is a divine Person, sent to indwell,9 guide, teach and empower the believer, and to convince the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgment.10

Here is what a Sunday school teacher would be obligated to teach on the church's view of scripture:
4. The Old and New Testaments, inerrant as originally given, were verbally inspired by God and are a complete revelation of His will for the salvation of people. They constitute the divine and only rule of Christian faith and practice.11
If you don't believe it, don't teach it. Even worse, a traitor goes behinds the backs of those who they are obligated to. I wonder how that filters through the 'law of love'?

5. Humankind, originally created in the image and likeness of God,12 fell through disobedience, incurring thereby both physical and spiritual death. All people are born with a sinful nature, are separated from the life of God, and can be saved only through the atoning work of the Lord Jesus Christ.13 The destiny of the impenitent and unbelieving is existence forever in conscious torment, but that of the believer is everlasting joy and bliss.14
Wouldn't it be more 'loving' to warn people of their fates, according to the teachings of your faith?

6. Salvation has been provided only through Jesus Christ. Those who repent and believe in Him are united with Christ through the Holy Spirit and are thereby regenerated (born again), justified, sanctified and granted the gift of eternal life as adopted children of God.15
Is 'loving' to lampoon fellow Christians who are seeking to provide a true witness to those who may be perishing?

7. It is the will of God that in union with Christ each believer should be sanctified thoroughly16 thereby being separated from sin and the world and fully dedicated to God, receiving power for holy living and sacrificial and effective service toward the completion of Christ's commission.17
This is accomplished through being filled with the Holy Spirit which is both a distinct event and progressive experience in the life of the believer.18
8. Provision is made in the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ for the healing of the mortal body. Prayer for the sick and anointing with oil as taught in the Scriptures are privileges for the Church in this present age.19
9. The universal Church, of which Christ is the Head, consists of all those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, are redeemed through His blood, regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and commissioned by Christ to go into all the world as a witness, preaching the Gospel to all nations.20
I have been preaching the gospel to people. I am simply doing what I am called to do.

The local church, the visible expression of the universal Church, is a body of believers in Christ who are joined together to worship God, to observe the ordinances of Baptism and the Lord's Supper, to pray, to be edified through the Word of God, to fellowship, and to testify in word and deed to the good news of salvation both locally and globally. The local church enters into relationships with other like-minded churches for accountability, encouragement and mission.21
10. There shall be a bodily resurrection of the just and of the unjust; for the former, a resurrection unto life;22 for the latter, a resurrection unto judgment.23
Again, is it 'slavish idol worship' to take your faith seriously, according to scripture?

11. The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ is imminent and will be personal and visible.24 As the believer’s blessed hope, this vital truth is an incentive for holy living and sacrificial service toward the completion of Christ's commission.25

Here are the CMS references, gathered by the heremeutical methodology that is taught at Bible colleges all over the world:
1 Isa. 44:6; 45:5-6 (2) Matt. 5:48; Deut. 32:4 (3) Matt. 3:16-17; 28:19 (4) Phil. 2:6-11; Heb. 2:14-18; Col. 2:9 (5) Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35 (6) 1 Cor. 15:3-5; 1 John 2:2; Acts 13:39 (7) Heb. 4:14-15; 9:24-28 (8) Matt. 25:31-34; Acts 1:11 (9) John 14:16-17 (10) John 16:7-11; 1 Cor. 2:10-12 (11) 2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21 (12) Gen. 1:27 (13) Rom. 8:8; 1 John 2:2 (14) Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thes. 1:7-10 (15) Titus 3:5-7; Acts 2:38; John 1:12; 1 Cor. 6:11 (16) 1 Thes. 5:23 (17) Acts 1:8 (18) Rom. 12:1-2; Gal. 5:16-25 (19) Matt. 8:16-17; James 5:13-16 (20) Eph. 3:6-12; 1:22-23 (21) Acts 2:41-47; Heb. 10:25; Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 1:8, 11:19-30; 15 (22) 1 Cor. 15:20-23 (23) 2 Thes. 1:7-10 (24) 1 Thes. 4:13-17 (25) 1 Cor. 1:7; Titus 2:11-14; Matt. 24:14; 28:18-20

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Why Fundyism is Irrational

by jgnat in

lately i've been putting a lot of thought in to what is rational and what must be relegated to faith alone.

ever since the scientific method was discovered, humanity has attempted to put it to work in so many areas.

after all, discoveries exploded once we were set free from the shackles of tradition.

Shining One

Quit whining, Trevor. Accusations and prevarications are your style. I don't need to answer you posts at all because it serves no point.
The same goes for you, Old Soul. You are so biased toward Jgnat that you wouldn't dare admit she hasn't a leg to stand on. You guys love spineless Christians that give away the argument without a fight. Having a Christian dare to stand up and tell you that your views are ignorant and pathetic is not what you want. I will be 'salt and light', not lukewarm.
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

>All hail this god...he who gives pasta and taketh it away.

Have you ever said anything substancial in 1433 posts, Oh Jedi Master?
Rex

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Why naturalism is irrational

by Shining One in

irrational naturalism (#201) .

by henry morris, ph.d. .

abstract .

Shining One

>Rex, you used to call yourself WorldlyWitness on H2O, right? What has prevented you from applying the same level of skepticism to christianity and ID that you have applied to Watchtowerism?

I have done that, Cygnus. Watchtowerism is a cult that intentionally twists everything that they teach. While Christianity can also suffer from the same types of things, the gospel is above all of that. There is no comparison in application nor in spirituality. Do I take things on faith, of course I do. Some of the reasons for faith is just about inexplicable unless you have been born again.
If you think that naturalism is a real science with real facts backing it up you need to know this. If you applied the same skepticism to it that you did the WBTS you would be singing a different tune. The physical evidence of science can be interpreted more than one way. When you have the assurance of faith, you know which way to interpret it!
I keep tellign you guys that you've fallen for the wrong set of presuppostions, that your assumptions do not hold water, but you do not listen. Its so easy to blindly follow when we have been taught that. Yes, I do know that can be applied in my case but then I have that assurance that goes back to the moment that I cried out to God to show me, "What is truth?". He did so and in such a unmistakable way that I knew that Jesus Christ is God, He is my lord and savior and it is in His rest and assurance that I reside! Praise God.
Rex